Archive for category Cross Posts
It’s Not All About Me or You
Posted by Erik in Church, Cross Posts on January 20, 2012
Joel Watts and I don’t always see eye to eye on everything. We encountered each other through a third blogger, Jason Skipper, when Jason started a forum for revitalizing the Fundamentals called re:F.
Joel runs in what most would consider a more liberal, more mainline doctrinal discussion than I do, although more often than not we can find common ground on most subjects. That’s one of the great things about having a network of bloggers to interact with on doctrinal and exegetical grounds. The diversity of opinion and position helps us look at our own views and the views of others more carefully.
Anyway, Joel’s blog is considerably busier than mine, and he has a number of contributors who write posts for him. He probably gets as many hits in an afternoon as I do in a month.
This week, one of his contributors, Leslie Keeney, wrote an excellent piece on the false interpretations that arise from reading the Scriptures as if they are all about your personal relationship with God. It resonated with something I am working on concerning the church, and I thought you might benefit from it.
Here’s an excerpt:
Suddenly, it dawned on me that one of the benefits of reading the Bible primarily as a narrative is that it automatically reduces the self-centeredness inherent in the “instruction manual” metaphor. If the Bible is God’s story, then the purpose of reading it is to become intimate with God and how He works, not how He can fix my life. No longer does every passage have to have a “practical” application that I can “use.” If the Bible is a story about God, it is not all about me. (Why It’s Not All About Me or You, Leslie Keeney)
Like I said, Joel and I don’t always see eye-to-eye so this is not a wholesale recommendation of everything on his blog; but I thought this was insightful.
Being a Missionary Kid
Posted by Erik in Church, Cross Posts, Other Bloggers on November 23, 2011
I have some long distance friends living in Paraguay. In fact, they are sort of a clan of friends. It starts with Clint and Rita Vernoy, who were missionaries to the jungles of Venezuela for years before being ousted by Venezuela’s dictator – I mean mob boss – I mean “president” Hugo Chavez because he decided missionaries were destroying the native culture by providing medical aid and teaching basic morality.
Clint and Rita’s oldest daughter Jackie married Brian, who grew up in the church I worked in for several years before coming to Bedford Road, and they set a land speed record raising support to become missionaries in Paraguay. A couple years after they went, Clint and Rita followed with their two younger daughters Jewel and Jayde. (They have a son, Jared, who lives and works in the US, and is a Buccaneers fan.)
Anyway, I have gotten to know the Vernoys and McCobbs over Facebook and blogs. I even do some tech support for them when crazy things happen – like when Rita’s google homepage shows up in Arabic (true story). One day, I hope that Bedford Road will be able to help them in their ministry and I look forward to one day being able to take a mission team down there.
Clint recently wrote an article for their missions agency’s website, and since we have several former missionaries in our congregation, I could identify with it almost immediately. I thought I would share it with you.
You can read Clint’s article here:
Missionary Kids Are Really Foreign Students.
And if you’re interested, you can keep track of the goings-on of their congregation on their Facebook page:
Iglesia Bautista Sin Fronteras
(“Borderless Baptist Church” or something like that.)
Repost: Dealing with “issue Christians”
Posted by Erik in Church, Cross Posts, General, Other Bloggers on October 27, 2011
Ed Stetzer added a post worth reading. Every pastor has to wrestle with the fact that some Christians just don’t belong in some congregations. We like to see numbers, but numbers aren’t as important as vision.
The reality of life is that the people Stetzer calls “issue Christians” appear in the Scriptures. In fact, their presence is a sign of the end times. Paul describes them this way:
They will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. (2 Timothy 4:3, 4 KJV)
And what does Paul say we should do with these people? Reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. In other words, tell them to knock it off and get right, and if they do, help them grow up.
If not, don’t let them poison your congregation with their foolishness.
Hithchhiker’s Guide to the Interweb
Posted by Erik in Cross Posts, Reading on May 12, 2011
Back in 2005, my first foray into blogging was “Blogger’s Guide to the Galaxy” in which I explored the real life applications of Douglas Adams’ Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy and its five sequels. (It was a trilogy in six parts, according to Adams.)
Here is one of those posts, provided primarily for those geeks among us who appreciate the warped mind of Douglas Adams.
“Nothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws.”
Adams’ universe was one of intense pessimism. Anything that could go wrong probably would. The difference between his characters’ reactions highlight the problem with humans. Although all but two of the characters are not, in fact, human, his point was clear.
Arthur Dent epitomizes the human reaction. At every turn, he is constantly seeking to understand what is going on. It isn’t until So Long and Thanks for All the Fish that he finally realizes his place in the galaxy. Thankfully, he simply accepts he can fly and lives blissfully happy to have a girl and his towel.
Ford Prefect on the other hand has been living on the short end of the galaxy’s stick for many years, and short of his surprise in meeting his semi-cousin Zaphod so improbably close to the Vogon ship that dumped them, he accepts pretty much everything as it comes.
Zaphod Beeblebrox is the zenith of the universe simply because he cares enough to not care and therefore is the most powerful being anywhere. Particularly, Zaphod’s off-hand conversation with the space cops at the end of H2G2 points out that he simply accepts everything that comes down the pike, no matter how improbable or ridiculous. Has has, in every way, embraced the chaotic nature of the universe and chooses not to try to understand it.
Marvin the Robot on the other hand understands the universe, and that is why he is depressed. Although many bill him as the “paranoid robot”, I don’t see it. He is just depressed because he sees the randomness of the universe as aimed at him, whereas Zaphod knows it isn’t aimed at anyone in particular.
Trillian is just there for…well, I still don’t see what purpose Trillian serves…
The point is that in Adams’ universe, the universe is inherently a good or bad place. It just is. We can choose to live our lives trying to alter it and trying to get back a sense of rhyme and reason, or we can accept that things happen and move on.
Hey, Rob Bell Wrote a Controversial Book!
Posted by Erik in Book Reviews, Cross Posts, Doesn't Fit in a Category, General, Other Bloggers, Reading, Theology, Things We Shouldn't Discuss on March 19, 2011
You may not have noticed, but here are some people who have.
http://www.redletterchristians.org/love-wins-rob-bell-and-the-new-calvinists/
http://www.patheos.com/community/jesuscreed/2011/03/19/rob-bell-reviews/
http://www.relevantmagazine.com/god/church/features/25030-is-rob-bell-a-universalist
http://www.albertmohler.com/2011/03/16/we-have-seen-all-this-before-rob-bell-and-the-reemergence-of-liberal-theology/
http://www.jesusneedsnewpr.net/my-thoughts-about-rob-bells-interview-lovewins/
http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/03/15/the-blood-drained-gospel-of-rob-bell/
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2011/april/lovewins.html
http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=34868
These are just the links from the last day or two. The book was released on Tuesday and has been flying off the shelves. Christianbook.com announced on their website that due to the controversial nature of the book, all profits from sales would go to Compassion International.
And if you missed it, there was this hard-hitting (and a bit bizarre) interview by MSNBC host Martin Bashir.
The Christian blogosphere is all a twitter about this. And a friend from church who is currently serving overseas with the military sent me a Facebook message about it.
So, I broke down and bought the book. I’m reading it and I will let everyone know what I think in a series of upcoming posts.
For those who don’t know who Rob Bell is, he is a pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church in Grand Rapids, Michigan. He has written a number of controversial books but this one has really caused a stir.
Harper Collins, who publishes the book, must be loving it. Currently, Bell’s book is #2 on the Amazon.com bestseller list. It will quickly eclipse his other books in sales, guaranteeing that Rob Bell will keep stirring up controversy and they will keep profiting from it.
Intimate Church – Shifting from Small to Intimate
Posted by Erik in Church, Cross Posts, General on October 19, 2010
I’ve made a new entry to the Intimate Church project. Without giving away too much, it speaks to Bonzai trees and Starbucks coffee.
You really should go over there and check it out!
Intimate Church: Real versus Relevant
Posted by Erik in Church, Cross Posts on October 18, 2010
Explanation:
I’ve started another site that I am calling Intimate Church: the strength of the under 200 congregation (title is still in the works). On the site, I am going to be posting what I hope will evolve into a larger project.
The project started with the frustration of reading books supposedly written for churches but really written for churches larger than 200 and designed to make them into megachurches (or what I refer to as mini-megachurches, churches under 1,000 who try to behave like megachurches).
I am going to cross post the entries for awhile and see if the project takes shape.
All of This Talk about Relevance
Megachurch pastors love to talk about relevance. They tell church leaders that they need to develop an approach to ministry that is relevant. What do they mean? Watch this blurb from The Wretched Network.
That strange older gentleman wearing the strange t-shirt (and possibly skinny jeans…) is Steve Munsey, pastor of Family Christian Center in Munster, Indiana. He is my father’s age and has been the pastor at that church since 1985. Back when the only channels we got in our basic cable package were the networks and Daystar, I used to watch him. Well, technically, I used to yell at him a lot but he couldn’t hear me since he was on television and I was on my couch.
He used to look like this:

And then sometime in the last decade or so, he started dressing like this:

Remember, this is a guy who is in his late fifties, who has an earned doctorate, who has grandchildren. He is wearing Abercrombie and Fitch t-shirts. Why?
Because he believes he is being relevant.
I don’t mean to pick on Dr. Munsey, but doesn’t it seem a little disingenuous? Are we supposed to really believe that this is genuine? He is the pastoral equivalent of the fifty year old women wearing thongs and squeezing into form-fitting, breast-exposing shirts to show they are ‘still sexy.’
All of this comes about because what church growth gurus mean by relevant is hip and cool. That means that if being cool is about having a fauxhawk and a soul patch, then that is what being relevant is. If being postmodern and relativistic or syncretist is what is cool, then you have to be that way in order to be relevant.
Being Real
One of the best things about a truly intimate congregation is that we don’t need to try to be relevant. That is because if we’re being honest with ourselves, we are already being real.
I am perpetually amazed by the number of small church pastors who do not understand that one of the greatest virtues of their congregation size is that they don’t need to “sell” themselves to these people. We can be real.
It is a lie that you need to be something you are not in order to get people into your church. In the end, you are lying to yourself and to these ‘new people’ because you are pretending to be someone you are not.
Be real – true to yourself and true to the Word of God.
Causing Trouble Elsewhere
Posted by Erik in Cross Posts on May 18, 2010
For some reason – possibly insanity, the guys over at the King James Only Debate blog asked me to do the occasional article for them.
Here are two entries on Bible translations I thought you might find interesting:
Enjoy.
Doxological Evangelism
Posted by Erik in Church, Cross Posts, Prayers on May 14, 2010
Head over to Interactive Sermon for Darin’s perspective on what he calls “doxological evangelism.” To be honest, I love the term and it is an approach I’ve embraced myself. Hope you enjoy Darin’s thoughts.
http://www.interactivesermon.com/2010/05/a-preacher-on-preaching.html
The History of the Necktie
Posted by Erik in Classics, Cross Posts, Things We Shouldn't Discuss on January 18, 2010
The following is a repost of a post from my old, now defunct, blog – Adventures in Missing the Point.
Introduction
The necktie originally served a purpose, although today its only purpose is to bring its wearer to near asphyxiation. As with all things that are useless, we can thank the French.
When Romans Were Men and the French Were Decent Fighters
The Roman legionaires wore what was known as a focale - a simple kerchief wrapped about the neck for wiping your face and protecting your neck in the cold.
Centuries later, in 1661, Louis XIV noticed Croatian mercenaries wearing similar handkerchiefs around their necks, and seeing the instant fashion value he rushed home and appointed one of his courtiers as “tie maker for the king.” This person’s sole responsibility was to help the king arrange and knot his elaborate neckties. And people wonder why the French don’t win wars anymore.
The Modern Torture Apparatus
For centuries since, men have been tortured by having to wear useless slips of fabric around their necks at the office, in school and in church. Since the French did it, it must be cool. In many ways, the French of the 17th and 18th century were like the “Gangsta rappers” of today. Everyone tried to look like them but just winds up being laughed at. I mean, would you take George Washington seriously if he was standing in front of you in tights?
During the following two centuries, the tie was worn in various styles. Men desparately tried to get rid of them, but instead, their wives made them wear frilly ties with lace fringe. There is just nothing more masculine then lace, am I right?
It was the 1800′s when the Victorian fashion of the starched collar became popular. Now, not only did men get to enjoy the sublime comfort of a knotted piece of material around the neck; they also got to wear a collar with the consistency of sandpaper that encircled their neck, chafing off skin and eliminating any capacity for the lateral movement of the head.
In 1925 the American tie maker Jesse Langdorsf patented a long tie, less crumpled and more stable, sewn from three pieces of fabric and cut to a taper. The modern tie was born, and immediately people began tying it incorrectly.
Knots Landing
Speaking of tying the knot incorrectly, allow me some literary indulgences. Oscar Wilde in his “The Importance of Being Earnest” said:
“A well-tied tie is the first serious step in life.”
As evidenced by his boring and often pointless plays, Mr. Wilde really needed a life. Thinking like this is the reason that no one knows who he is anymore.
At last count, there are four accepted methods of tying a necktie.
1. The Windsor Knot – aka the RIGHT way.
2. The Half-Windsor Knot – aka the SLOPPY way.
3. The Four-in-Hand Knot – aka the SKINNY TIE method.
4. The Pratt Knot – aka the USELESS BRITISH system
Once again, a literary allusion, this time from Molire’s immortal The Wife School.
“A sacred knot will unite us until tomorrow.”
I’m pretty sure that has NOTHING to do with tying ties, but it makes me sound splendiferously scholarly. However, let me comment that if you don’t use a Windsor knot, or at least a Pratt knot, your knot is not sacred at all. Stick with polo shirts because you look ridiculous. Hey, I hate the things, but if I have to wear them then I’m gonna look good in them.
Concluding Thoughts
In 1820, an anonymous Frenchman said:
“With the tie I take perfect care: it is the true ritual of elegance. I labor persistently for hours so that it appears tied haphazardly.”
Hence the reason he remained anonymous – as all Frenchmen should.
In short, the necktie is a particularly useless thing. Even its original purpose (which was probably something cool like staunching blood flow from neck wounds) is gone. Now, its only purpose is to clash with our shirt or our shoes, and with the modern pastel combos, even that purpose is fading.
The tie is a dying accessory and rather than declaring it an endangered species, I think we should give it a pleasant funeral, share some wacky anecdotes and memories then dump it in a shallow grave and start the party.



